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Hi Oregano,

I actually have read his book and attended his seminars. I am just wondering what has inspired people to steer clear of vaccinations.

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I wonder too... I'm not saying it's wrong not to vaccinate. I'm just curious as to why choose to risk subjecting a child to a disease? I hate seeing a child have a cold- I can't imagine seeing one who has contracted Polio. Isn't that worse?

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In response to HealthNut and Californiagirl:

Even if vaccines did what they’re advertised to do, I believe they should never be given before 2 years of age. An infant simply has not had enough time to build defenses that can prevent the additives in vaccines from damaging the formative systems, especially the blood, the digestive tract, the brain and the immune system.

This is exactly what is going on in the formative infant brain. The infant is born with about 70% of its brain cells. By age 1, the infant brain will contain some 100 billion neurons, which must last a lifetime. (Schmidt) So in the first year of life, at least 60% of the baby’s total energy is expended growing the brain. (Farquaharson) Nature prioritizes – if you want to survive, first get your brain and nervous system up and running.

So in addition to adding that other 30% of brain cells in the first year, the brain is also developing its individual sections, each of which has its own specialty: hearing, memory, sight, intuition, apperception, balance, coordination, judgment, etc. (Guyton) The sections of the brain form from the inside outward, like layers of an onion. Of critical importance is the formation of the connectors between the individual sections, which are called interneurons. These sections of the brain must develop at certain precise weeks of age – and so must the interneuron connectors between the sections – windows of opportunity. For many of these tasks the brain only gets one shot, one opportunity. Miss it, and the hard wiring will never be correct. The brain might figure out some secondary patch job later, but it will never operate the way it was supposed to.

This fragile, unknown universe within the forming brain is exceedingly delicate. It is literally struggling its way into existence. If left to itself for the first two years, nature pulls most of us through. But here’s the problem. We’ve stopped leaving the brain to itself, in the most critical period. First with the additives in vaccines like aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, phenol, radiator fluids – proven beyond a controversy to be neurotoxic - nerve destroying. (Blaylock) As these toxins are allowed to freely circulate in the blood environment of the brain, nerve cells are killed. Half-formed nerve cells stop forming. Connectors never get made. Worse, the damage is random, because every infant brain is unique, developing at its own pace, like flowers in a field. There is no predicting when the damage will show up. Maybe the child drops dead, or goes into shock, or turns autistic 2 weeks later, or can’t learn to read at age 5, or has “ADD� in adolescence, or Parkinson’s at 28, or any other neurologic disorder. Or maybe is simply a little dumber than his parents.

In 2004 (in the U.S.), 1 child in 6 has a neurodevelopmental disorder. (Grier) The Center of Disease Control (CDC) estimates that only 10% of vaccine injuries ever get reported. And there have been over 200,000 serious adverse reaction to vaccines accounted for. No pediatrician will talk about these statistics. Today one infant in 150 becomes autistic. Could it be that we are currently injecting our children with 68 vaccines by the age of 18? Since 1997, independent researchers have come up with tons of legitimate research showing that autism may very well be linked to two vaccine-related causes: MMR vaccine and mercury in other vaccines. Yet mainstream medicine will vehemently deny any correlation. Remember money makes the world go round. Vaccines are not mandatory, they’re mandated. There’s a big difference between the two.

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So, you're saying that it's worth risking a return of polio (a cripplind disease) and other diseases, versus a 0.6% chance of becoming autistic (assuming that's even related to vaccination, which has not been proven).



Here's some reading material from an actual study, rather then some of the scare websites that have been posted thus far.

http://www.esds.ac.uk/findingData/snDescription.asp?sn=5295



Here's a bit, just for the gratification of my skepticism.

http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/immu/autism.html



All I've seen so far is fear-mongering. "Those bad people over there have a conspiracy to [insert favorite unproven theory], to make money and conquer the world!"

I'm not saying it's not true, but I've seen no evidence and a lot of fear-mongering. Show me the money!

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"Much of the suffering in the world comes from the delusion that we are all separate from one another." - Gautama Buddha

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Here are a few things to think about. Many hospitals want to vaccinate your newborn for Hepatitis B on their first day of life. Hep B is primarily contracted by sex and needles. Why then does your newborn need to be vaccinated against this on his first day of life? Answer: He doesn't. Why does this practice continue in the U.S. then? Answer: Money.

My wife and I had a child 9 months ago. The hospital charged our insurance company $12 for each Alleve pill they gave my wife. If they charge $12 for an over-the-counter pill, how much do you think they charge for an immunization? My wife and I did not have our son immunized for Hep B at the hospital. Our pediatrician, on our first visit to his office, when our son was about 4 days old, wanted to administer the vaccination then. We declined. He told us, with a sense of humor, "OK, but make sure he doesn't have any sex just yet and make sure he doesn't share any needles with anyone." He did not try to convince us to vaccinate our newborn against Hep B.

That said, we have since vaccinated our son for some things and we have come to discover that for each vaccination our doctor charges the insurance company almost $200! Most pediatricians will administer 4 vaccinations per visit, every 2 months, for the first 8 months of life. That's $800 per visit, per child. Have you ever had a child vaccinated? It takes about 30 seconds, even less if it's done right, and the doctor doesn't even administer them. So for 30 seconds of time your pediatrician earns $800, times 4 visits in the first 8 months; that's $3200 for 2 minutes of vaccinations.

I agree that vaccinations are helpful. But if you don't think money is a huge factor in why pediatricians adamantly recommend them you are naive. Vaccinations are a money machine for them!

Do your research and make your own choices. Some vaccines still contain mercury! I don't want mercury injected into my baby.

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OrganO-
Thank you for the information although I do agree with you in regards to the neurological development risks involved administering vaccines to children under the age of three, I still maintain that I personally would not subject my child to polio. And choosing not to vaccinate against certain diseases I feel would deliberately endanger my child.

I’m not disagreeing with you entirely. I definitely believe there are too many inoculations available and I still believe that the increase in Autism would be a direct result from those, especially the ones that contain mercury. However, I think the greater risk is still losing a child to disease. Isn’t that worse than having a child developmentally disabled?

On another note- using the term “dumber than his parents� is rude and inappropriate. There are millions Americans that suffer from a disability and you being a Chiropractor ought to be ashamed for being so flip on the subject. I think you could have kept your personal feelings about people who have a subordinate intelligence to you to yourself. Unless you were referring to parents just being dumb for vaccinating their children?

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Oregano,

Thanks for that post. Do you feel that the most compelling reason that you would not vaccinate is because that it could be potentially harmful?

That you have a general mistrust for medicine?

Or that you don't believe vaccines do what what they’re advertised to do?

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I apologize for the "dumber than his parents" remark. It was not intended to be rude. Maybe I should have used another term like "slower" or something less offensive. The fact of the matter is your child should not be less intelligent then you, they should be smarter than you...don't you think. It's evolution...natural selection. As a species we should be getting smarter, faster, stronger...every generation.

Again I apologize. The way you interpreted the statement is not the way I originally intended the statement to come across, but in retrospect I do see how it may come off the wrong way. I was also not saying that the parents were stupid for vaccinating their children. All parents want the best for their children and would never intentionally harm them, but many parents are unaware of some of the dangers or complications that vaccines may have. All I want is for everyone to make an informed decision...that's all. And I agree with you Californiagirl that I would not want to deliberately endanger my child with polio or any other illness, but I want my child to have the best opportunity to thrive during the developmental stages and injecting them with toxins is not the route I choose to go...at least for their first 2 years of life. After that we'll see.

Californiagirl wrote: OrganO- Thank you for the information although I do agree with you in regards to the neurological development risks involved administering vaccines to children under the age of three, I still maintain that I personally would not subject my child to polio. And choosing not to vaccinate against certain diseases I feel would deliberately endanger my child. I’m not disagreeing with you entirely. I definitely believe there are too many inoculations available and I still believe that the increase in Autism would be a direct result from those, especially the ones that contain mercury. However, I think the greater risk is still losing a child to disease. Isn’t that worse than having a child developmentally disabled? On another note- using the term “dumber than his parents� is rude and inappropriate. There are millions Americans that suffer from a disability and you being a Chiropractor ought to be ashamed for being so flip on the subject. I think you could have kept your personal feelings about people who have a subordinate intelligence to you to yourself. Unless you were referring to parents just being dumb for vaccinating their children?

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Many procedures in medical system aren't proven, they are experimental. That's why it's called Practice. But I understand where you are coming from. I'm not saying I'm right and if you don't agree with me you're wrong. It's my opinion and my choice and I respect your opinion and your choice.

The last link you had was to quackwatch, which is run by Stephen Barrett a de-licensed MD. Have you ever seen any interviews with him. If not, I suggest you try and find some to get a better idea of how he operates.

CET wrote: So, you're saying that it's worth risking a return of polio (a cripplind disease) and other diseases, versus a 0.6% chance of becoming autistic (assuming that's even related to vaccination, which has not been proven). Here's some reading material from an actual study, rather then some of the scare websites that have been posted thus far. http://www.esds.ac.uk/findingData/snDescription.asp?sn=5295 Here's a bit, just for the gratification of my skepticism. http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/immu/autism.html All I've seen so far is fear-mongering. "Those bad people over there have a conspiracy to [insert favorite unproven theory], to make money and conquer the world!" I'm not saying it's not true, but I've seen no evidence and a lot of fear-mongering. Show me the money!

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Hi HealthNut,

It looks like I'm outnumbered on this issue, but here it goes.

The reason that I would not vaccinate is because it is harmful (not potentially harmful.) There are toxins in all vaccinations...formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum compounds, phenol, borax, methanol, dye, acetone, disinfectant, glycerine, antifreeze, MSG...just to name a few. Now just because something is toxic doesn't mean that it will have any immediate noticeable affects on your body. Eating a big mac, fries, and a coke is toxic, but it won't kill you right away. Not exercising is toxic, thinking bad thoughts is toxic. All I know is this every action you take either moves you towards homeostasis and health or moves you away from homeostasis and health. There is no standing still, you're either moving toward health or toward sickness and disease. So injecting toxins into your blood is going to move you away from homeostasis and health and with an infant their nervous system and immune system has not matured to the point where they should be exposed to such toxins.

As for the mistrust for medicine: I don't believe that drugs and surgery are the answer for optimal health. Ingesting toxins and removing body parts doesn't seem like a natural thing to do, unless it will save your life, which in some cases it will. I think allopathy is the best for emergency and first aid situations, but that's the extent of it. When MDs tell people to take an aspirin a day to thin their blood I don't think its the right approach. Water is the best blood thinner in the world yet an aspirin is the answer. The US is ranked 37th out of 39 industrialized countries in terms of health. Americans ingest 60% of the worlds drugs yet rank 37th. If drugs were the answer shouldn't we be #1 since we take over half of the worlds drugs.

All I'm saying is your lifestyle choices dictate your level of health. Your health or the lack thereof is the genetic expression of your lifestyle choices. If you Move Well, Eat Well, and Think Well at the same time for a period of time you will be heatlhy.

I believe vaccines do what they're advertised to do most of the time. A tylenol does what it's advertised to do, but it's still not healthy.

HealthNut wrote: Oregano, Thanks for that post. Do you feel that the most compelling reason that you would not vaccinate is because that it could be potentially harmful? That you have a general mistrust for medicine? Or that you don't believe vaccines do what what they’re advertised to do?

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