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Posted: 27 March 2008 at 12:17pm | IP Logged

I am a third year medical student and have worked in Pediatrics, Internal medicine, Ob-Gyn, Psychiatry, and Family practice rotations. It’s hard in our generation to remember how horrible the diseases we now vaccinate for were to our society and the individuals   plagued with them. Vaccines are truly the medical miracle in the 21st century. As a future physician, and seeing children and adults dealing with diseases that we don't have a cure for, I do not understand why individuals would choose not to vaccinate their children. Especially with the risk of having these diseases like measles, mumps, and rubella that have devastating results to children with life long effects. Also, let’s not forget that pregnant women exposed to these viruses can have terrible effects to her fetus.


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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 8:40am | IP Logged

You should see this video: It along with several books convinced me to NOT
vaccinate.


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14 /why-vaccines-ar
en-t-safe.aspx

It's long but good, you might take it in chunks and take notes as you
go.



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Posted: 01 April 2008 at 9:42am | IP Logged

medstudent wrote:
I am a third year medical student and have worked in
Pediatrics, Internal medicine, Ob-Gyn, Psychiatry, and Family practice rotations.
It’s hard in our generation to remember how horrible the diseases we now
vaccinate for were to our society and the individuals   plagued with them.
Vaccines are truly the medical miracle in the 21st century. As a future
physician, and seeing children and adults dealing with diseases that we don't
have a cure for, I do not understand why individuals would choose not to
vaccinate their children. Especially with the risk of having these diseases like
measles, mumps, and rubella that have devastating results to children with life
long effects. Also, let’s not forget that pregnant women exposed to these
viruses can have terrible effects to her fetus.


With all do respect and humility may I suggest the following:

While your knowledge is well appreciated, I think if you want to be a well
rounded physician than it would do you good to research other ideas about
vaccinations. I have two very close friends whose children have contracted
autism and other complications after vaccination. Their children where
perfectly normal before the shots and now are living very challenging lives.

There are toxins in the vaccines that are too much for a young system to
handle. It is more logical to risk a child contracting measles, which they can
overcome with a strong immune system than to risk putting these dangerous
toxins.

Please see this video:


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/14 /why-vaccines-
ar
en-t-safe.aspx




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Posted: 15 April 2008 at 11:36pm | IP Logged

Bryan wrote:
I'm interested in learning about other parents' experiences with vaccinating, or not vaccinating, their babies.

By now all parents are aware of the huge controversy over vaccinating their children. We are open-minded, understand both sides of the issue, and are researching each vaccination, educating ourselves, and trying to do the best thing for our son. We don't want to vaccinate if it's not necessary, yet we want to protect our child.

We already passed on the HepB vaccine that they wanted to give our son on the second day of life! We figured there was no urgency to protect him against an "adult" disease that is primarily transmitted through unsafe sex and needle sharing.

When our son was 3 months old we had to take him on a plane. Being that planes are petri dishes for germs, we decided to start the vaccination process for Pneumococcal, Rotovirus, Polio, DTaP, HIB. If we didn't have to get on a plane we would have at least delayed these vaccinations as we are raising our son ourselves, no daycare exposure, etc.

We know all about the possible connections between vaccinations and autism. This is our main concern. Does anyone have any insights to offer on this subject? Our son is now 6 months old.




I have filed for an exemption for not vaccinating my 1 year old daughter and before you throw the book at me, as a parent and responsible adult I have to think about the health of my child first because she has no voice and she can't tell me if something hurts her so we will be that voice and stand up for her.

My daughter was caught up on her baby shots when something terrible happened. She had a very weird episode (both incidents happened while sleeping) that resembled a seizure but lacked a few hardcore evidence (like all of her tests came back normal) docs couldn't explain to us why this happened to her. She's healthy! The only thing that changed in her diet was incorporating whole milk into her formula (half formula half whole milk).

So we decided to take her off of whole milk to see if that was the cause. No signs of those seizure-like episodes for a whole week. So, taking the docs advice and passing it as a fluke we put her back on whole milk...three days later she has another seizure like episode, but this one was worse than the second time because this one actually looked like a full seizure but again lacked a few things that would other wise tell me "Hey, this was a seizure".

We don't have her on whole milk anymore and no more strange incidents. But the doctors now want to start her on seizure meds (Huh? They don't even know what she had) But anyway, my husband and I decided not to get her vaccinated because of this reason. Doctors don't know, they won't give her an allergy test.

My daughter has eczema (not severe though) she drinks Enfamil Nutramigen (yes, the expensive, hypoallergetic formulas for babies allergic to cow's milk) but no one is listening.

My daughter's health means the world to me; I look at her everyday and she's so smart and funny. I cannot bear to think that if I continue to vaccinate her any further what will I be doing to her immune system. I couldn't live with myself if she left home normal one day and came back autistic?

When you buy a new flat screen tv you don't go in the back tinkering with it out of fear it might break down. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. I am executing my rights as a parent to say no more vaccinations. I was in the military and was forced to be vaccinated with no say so other wise and don't know what the long term effects are of those vaccines but I'll tell you one thing, it won't happen to my daughter.

I helped to fight to protect our freedoms and people tend to forget what they can take a stand for.

What I am say is this, if your child has not shown you that their


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medstudent wrote:
I am a third year medical student and have worked in Pediatrics, Internal medicine, Ob-Gyn, Psychiatry, and Family practice rotations. It’s hard in our generation to remember how horrible the diseases we now vaccinate for were to our society and the individuals   plagued with them. Vaccines are truly the medical miracle in the 21st century. As a future physician, and seeing children and adults dealing with diseases that we don't have a cure for, I do not understand why individuals would choose not to vaccinate their children. Especially with the risk of having these diseases like measles, mumps, and rubella that have devastating results to children with life long effects. Also, let’s not forget that pregnant women exposed to these viruses can have terrible effects to her fetus.



I couldn't go through life wondering if God has done his job when he created us and our children and rely solely on the words of a doctor; you have to understand that this is a very hard choice to make but it is a good one when you see your child's health thriving better than the ones who are vaccinated for everything under the sun. Yes, medical science have came a long way but look at the mistakes they have made...everytime you turn around they are taking some drug off of the market and these side effects are rediculous!

I can't have my innocent daughter a walking "uh oh" due to one of many pharma goof ups. My child is not a lab rat in some experiment and until they can prove to me that medical science is better than the orginial creation that God has made...tough luck!

Aren't you weaking your immune system when you put too many vaccines into a small child's body at one time. I've seen my daughter get four shots at one time every 2 months! How do you know that her body is fighting or even building up the immunity before shooting her up some more?

Shots are not one size fits all, everyone is different, what works for some may not work for all. You have to take in consideration the height, and body weight of your child when receiving these vaccines. What if a child is underweight? What if the child is overweight? Does the vaccine have the same effect on both? How long does immunity last? Why aren't some grown ups getting these nasty shots?

I respect what you do but at the end of the day my daughter is the one who lives with me, plays with me, and smile at me...is it right to flood her innocent life with toxins that are dangerous to consume by mouth but it is okay for it to float into her bloodstream? Where is the science in that?


Posted: 23 May 2008 at 11:13am | IP Logged

If you are not already aware of the vaccine/autism connection and its cover-up by the government and the pharmaceutical industry:
http://www.health-reports.com/RobertKennedyJrarticle.html

According to the CDC's own website, common ingredients in vaccines include:

antibiotics (which many children are allergic to)

aluminum gels (which can, if there is a silicon deficiency, cause brain conditions like those exhibited in Alzheimer's disease)

formaldehyde (a highly toxic carcinogen)

monosodium glutamate or MSG (a potent excito-toxin capable of causing seizures, brain tumors and more)

egg protein (which can cause a life-threatening anaphylactic reaction)

sulfites (which can cause allergic reactions)

Wow! so much for these "protective" agencies making sure only healthy natural ingredients are ingested by our children.


Posted: 07 June 2008 at 9:41pm | IP Logged

jonpaul wrote:
"We know all about the possible connections between vaccinations and autism." I think that these "connections" have all be disproved. Vaccinate your children. It is safe and sensible. If your child caught a disease, you would never forgive yourself.


I completely understand where the providers and FDA are coming from when saying this but being a mother to 3 children with my oldest now 8 years old and just diagnoses with Severe SPD with Autisitc Traits leads me to believe there needs to be more studies done. When he was born he was normal hitting every milestone. By the time he was 14 months he began to regress, he developed OCD behaviors, constantly screamed and his speech was non existent when just a few months earlier he was saying dada, mama, baba, ball, drink, cup etc... At 14 months that LEFT, it was gone and he was 5 years old before I could understand him as we only understood about 1 out of 10 words spoken.

My son has gone through TONS of genetics testing over the past year to rule out many genetic problems like Fragile X, Kleinfelter, Pendred and many more. All of his tests come through great and they have NO clue as to where his problems have come from. He has Global Delay along with this as well.

My other 2 children have been vaccinated yes because I want them to be safe. I do NOT give them FLU shots though. I forbid them to get a flu shot as they still contain Thimersol at this time. Well, most do anyway.

What we need to look at though is the FDA stopped the manufacturing of Thimersal in our kids vaccines as of October 2002. They still had like a 2 year back stock. So, technically the thimersal vaccines were not available to our kids until 2004-2005. Even now many of the vaccines hold a trace...

Now, they are claiming Thimerosal is not the cause of Autism but how can they know for sure as most children are diagnosed around 5 to 6 years old with Autism. That means we should begin to see a DECREASE in cases of Autism around 2009 to 2010. If and when we begin to see the decrease will we know if Thimerosal had something to play in this.

It may or may not be linked but we can't rule it out just yet. What if there is a gene that can not even tolerate a trace of this and that's the cause? There are just so many unanswered questions with this still.

I have to FIGHT with my insurance to get my son occupational therapy and speech therapy. They still are not paying for this. He needs the help now.

I have done a lot of studying on this issue to learn more about how I can better help my son. I know that we need vaccines to keep everyone healthy but WHAT if there is something hiding in a gene that can NOT tolerate even a trace of Mercury?

Eli Lilly has produced Thimerosal since the 1920's and came out with a Teething Powder that was used in the 40's to early 50's. Now, there is the disease known as Pink Disease that was like a breakout. But, after pulling the teething powder containing mercury Pink Disease died out in the late 50's. It basically disapeared.

In the early 90's they changed the amount of vaccines children got. This amount increased the Mercury like 3x it used to be. They began to see about a 250% increase with Autism. Then 10 years later is went to around 500%+ increase.

Don't get me wrong... I'm all for people making the choice on their own. I chose to vaccinate all 3 of my children because what could have happend could have been more harmful if they were not.

But, I want the government to stand up and help with this and say YES, there MIGHT be a connection and then work on getting our children HELP!


Posted: 23 June 2008 at 12:56am | IP Logged

CET wrote:
I've been reading stories of places like Manchester England, where lots of parents aren't vaccinating, and they're seeing large resurgences of diseases that were nearly wiped out. Yes, some people have allergic reactions to vaccines and bad stuff happens, but that's far preferable then allowing the diseases they protect against run rampant again, and possibly mutate to become vaccine resistant. We don't need vaccine resistant polio or small pox. Those things were nasty!   
I have to agree! There's a reason why we have vaccinations. None of us want to be a part of an epidemic! Think black plague! My daughter is going on a foreign exchange trip to Ecuador. Did I get her vaccinated for typhoid, yellow fever, etc? Yes. Because the trip costs enough that she doesn't need to ruin it by being so sick that she can't enjoy a once-in-a-lifetime experience. I realize there are risks, but my 4 children have had no bad experiences with vaccinations. It seems that we have a responsibility to our children and others to protect them from the world's most deadly diseases. Do I want them to make vaccinations safer? Sure. Of course!


Posted: 23 June 2008 at 10:15am | IP Logged

vdraw, you write "It seems that we have a responsibility to our children and others to protect them from the world's most deadly diseases." I disagree slightly. I feel that my wife and I have a responsibility to protect our child from ANY disease, especially the more prevalent ones, whether they are deadly or not.

Autism has become a HUGE problem in our society. One in 150 children will be diagnosed with this disease. Those are horrible odds. I need to be concerned with that more so than with typhoid or yellow fever, small pox or polio, etc.

Based on everything I've read, there is no doubt that there is a connection between vaccinations and the rise of autism rates. A connection, not necessarily a cause. It has been scientifically documented that the vaccination ingredients, combined with certain underlying conditions that the child might already have that no one knows about, can cause autism and other problems.

As long as this connection is there, vaccinations will concern me. They don't always know what these other underlying conditions are, so there's very little chance that you know your child has some underlying condition that will not "mix well" with a vaccination. Until it's too late.

Vaccinations are very important, I agree 100%. But following the current intense vaccination schedule blindly is naive, in my opinion, given all the new information we have. We all want to protect our children, we just have different opinions on how to do that. I choose to protect my child against the diseases he is most likely to get today, not all the diseases that were once huge epidemics. We vaccinate our child, but we decide when and for what; that's just the best thing for our child, in our opinion.


Posted: 03 July 2008 at 7:27am | IP Logged

Has anyone read this doctors look on vaccines?
It's something to think about.

Cause of Autism discovered..and it is NOT the Mercury:

http://www.vacinfo.org/Carley.pdf

http://www.vacinfo.org/articles.htm




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